Episode 12: Face-to-Face and Side-by-Side

Rosanna
Welcome to Episode 12: Face-to-face and side-by-side. Can you believe that we are already in Episode 12?

Jordan
Episode 12 already, baby.

Rosanna
That is the last episode of season one. So thank you to all of you guys who have been listening along the way who have you who have been sharing our posts on social media who have been tagging friends to listen, have been recommending this to people. We really appreciate all of your support, and we look forward to what’s coming ahead and season two.

Jordan
That’s right. So this is only the last episode in season one. Season two is already in the works and we’re excited about a lot of the things that the relentless pursuit will bring to you. So here’s the plan just so you know where we’re headed, is at the end of season one we’re here in September, we are going to take a four week break and come back with Season two after those four weeks. So we’re going to go dark just for a few weeks, hang in there. And then you’ll see everything come live for season tw.

Rosanna
But not completely dark. We’ll still be uploading, or uploading posts to our blog and to our website. You can get information there and to our social media, you can kind of see what we’re working on as we start to develop season two. Alright, last week, if you listened to Episode 11, we were talking about looking at faces and not devices and we ended with a screen challenge. So if you want to know how we did on our week long screen challenge of social distancing ourselves from our phones and our devices, and being more present in the moment, head on over to TheRelentlessPursuitPodcast and click on our blog and on there you will find both Jordan’s account and my account of how we think it went, lessons learned and maybe some fumbles along the way.

Jordan
Yeah, it hasn’t been an easy challenge. But it’s, it’s, I’m grateful for it because it’s already made me more mindful of our relationship to our screens versus our relationships to the people around us. So plenty of good reflections and hopefully you guys will get a chance to read our accounts, but also comment and share your own experiences as well.

Rosanna
All right, so are you ready for Episode 12?

Jordan
Episode 12. Here we go.

Rosanna
Alright, let’s dive in. Again, title, face-to-face and side-by-side.

Jordan
So I really like this phrase – face-to-face and side-by-side – because I think the reason why we wanted to share this on the podcast with you guys is because this denotes two approaches to your relationship with others. And I think most of our examples will entail your relationship to your spouse or significant other, but it really pertains to your friends, it pertains to other family members, or pertains to colleagues, it even pertains to you and your children. So we want you to keep all of those things in mind as we talk. So what does face by face or face-to-face and side-by-side mean? It really means what it says like you can develop your relationship in both of those manners. And it’s important to understand what both have to offer and maybe even few of the pitfalls about them too. So face-to-face represents you facing the other person, and in most cases in a literal sense, where your focus is that other person. So like right now, you and I are having a conversation, my focus is on you. And so I typically think of conversations where you’re talking to and you’re talking about one another as that face but face-to-face kind of approach to a relationship. A lot of times we do this like over a coffee or at a table with someone, you could also be on a walk with someone you don’t have to guess you don’t have to be literally face-to-face, but your focus at that time or during that engagement is on the other person. Side-by-side is you’re still with the other person, but picture yourself shoulder to shoulder with that person. And instead of making the other person your direct focus, the both of you are engaged in some kind of task or an activity that you’re sort of sharing this mutual experience together. And so what we want to talk about is really exploring what it really means to have both of those components in your relationship, why it’s important to have both and maybe some of the stronger ways but also addressing maybe those some of the weaker ways that those could be present in our various relationships.

Rosanna
I think younger Rosanna you know, idealistic thought that love was always face-to-face that it was always gazing at you looking at you. Spending time…

Jordan
That’s like the ideal, right? Right. If you just look at the other person and gaze into their eyes for eternity, that’s love.

Rosanna
Hold hands and like the hearts are like, you know, In the background around him, and it’s just this romantic

Jordan
“I could lay in your arms forever.”

Rosanna
Yes. I mean, when we were teenagers, right, that was kind of like that idea, like, what we wanted to do just hand in hand. And, you know, this idea of side-by-side is something that, you know, as we’ve grown older and wiser and more savvy, we realize how important side-by-side is. Because life does not allow us just to stop and gaze and everything else stops. The world is constantly moving. We’re constantly moving. And so to be side by side and moving forward together is a big part of a successful relationship.

Jordan
Yeah, I think of what we were doing with some of our date nights a little while back when we were trying to get out and we realized that the majority of our dates and they’re all very pleasant, but we would go and sit down at a restaurant or at a bar or in a coffee shop, and then we’d have a couple hours allocated to just talking. And most of the time, the conversation was really good and we had a chance to, like just luxuriate in the presence of one another and concentrate on one another, and a time there’s an ebb and flow to it. But then we started adding in activities as well, where we would go and do something new or have some sort of an engagement that we would entertain ourselves with, or, or go to go to work on something. And we have that shared experience that I think fueled the face-to-face. And I think the face-to-face fuels some of the side-by-side activities,

Rosanna
And even with those dates, the face-to-face and side-by-side, you know, even the most head over heels, couple people who love each other and love spending time together. I mean, let’s let’s pretend we’re all going to be married 65 years. At some point conversation is gonna run dry and I run out of you’re still running today. So being able to do things in the presence of one another and whether that’s like leisure, or hobbies or interests or building something together, there’s more of that like easy effortless friendship where you don’t have to come to the table with these like vulnerable things that you’re going to share with one another or this doting where it’s part of being with someone is the friendship that you build with them and being able to enjoy those things and have fun and be flirty and find commonality and find new interests together that continues to build and develop that relationship.

Jordan
Yeah. And I think about my relationship with other men as well. I think that there’s there’s a lot of face-to-face, but I think some of the strongest bonds are often built in side-by-side kind of activities, tutors, things that we get to do together. Like I would even comment on my relationship to your dad, I think we’ve we’ve always been friendly with one another since I met him when I was like 15. But I felt like there was kind of a turning point where we were just painting together, painting a bunch of rooms together. And we weren’t really talking much at all. Like there’s nothing much to talk about except like past me that roller and but throughout the course of that project I felt by the end of it, we had done something together and accomplish something together. And it didn’t really require a lot of words, there’s a different kind of bond that’s formed when you’re working on something.

Rosanna
Sure there’s that like level of trust, that level of understanding, even understanding how someone works or operates like, I’m sure the way that you approached a painting a room and never having done it before. And my dad maybe even like teaching you like that aspect of the relationship was little like imparting that wisdom where he feels like needed. And then same thing like you being able to listen to him because my dad is not like this, like deep and vulnerable person, but sharing experiences with him, whether it’s painting a room or going with us to the zoo with the kids or to Santa’s Village, like, just that proximity in that presence is big for him. And so that helps build your relationship together. And then even just the funny things that come out of those experiences

Jordan
And we have stories to tell afterwards, too.

Rosanna
Right, those stories kind of help move you forward. So I think that’s interesting. And I think it’s interesting too with our kids, a lot of times life with our kids is side-by-side where we’re literally with them holding their hand, right, like taking them places, going places.

Jordan
Yeah, we’re always trying to do activities with them or take them to whatever they’re signed up for whatever activity or sport they’re in.

Rosanna
Right, facilitating that. But now that the kids are older, finding experiences where we are face-to-face with them on a one on one basis, has proven to be very important at this stage in their lives. So with a 10, almost eight and almost six year old, they’re looking for that time and attention of one on one like telling us how they’re feeling or what they’re thinking about or even expressing their needs to us so that we know what those needs are and can help meet them. Which, you know, they’ve been little for so long and so to know that not only do you and I need face-to-face and side-by-side, but now with our children, we need to move forward in that as well.

Jordan
Yeah, let’s let’s explore some more questions for one another because I’m thinking through some of these these different avenues and already want to pick your brain about how to maybe be more conscientious and maximize these aspects of relationship building. Do you want to go first?

Rosanna
Now go first. Go ahead, put me on the spot.

Jordan
All right. What happens when you have too much of one and not enough of the other?

Rosanna
Oh, I don’t know. That’s a good question. I probably shouldn’t have said, I don’t know. I’m just trying to

Jordan
Actually I think, I think that’s the purpose of the conversation is to start from a point of not really knowing but at least challenging ourselves to come to a better understanding.

Rosanna
You know, I’m trying to think of like too many date nights, right? Where we’re just – right? We’re just face-to-face. And so I’m trying to picture a world where that’s that’s the case where it’s, it’s just that and I really do think we would be in the scenario where we would run out of things to say, at this point those things are coveted those face-to-face date nights, because the days are busy. And so we don’t get to talk about all of the things that we’re thinking about or feeling. The podcast has been great because we’re talking about these great deep topics that are kind of pushing us to grow. But if we didn’t have that, you know, we would probably be missing out and feel like we need some more of that, that face-to-face time. But what’s nice is when we’re able to be consistently talking to one another and consistently meaning like maybe once a week where we like really sit down and focus on each other. Sometimes when a date night opportunity comes up, it’s not about sitting down and staring at each other. It’s about having fun. I think it’s allowed us to want to do fun things together. So for Valentine’s Day, this past year, we could have gone to a romantic dinner or you know, done something that’s like the typical Valentine’s Day and we didn’t do that. What was your idea for Valentine’s Day this year?

Jordan
I think I want to go do something together. So I thought we, you know, we’ve both been doing like exercise and especially yoga for a little while. So we found a yoga place that happened to be open at a time that we could make it there. And we went and we did yoga together. And we had really no idea what we were signing up for ended up being a lot of fun, because it was Korean yoga or kind of a Korean like variation on yoga and a very small, like intimate setting where, you know, throughout that we were able to share an experience. Now we have a story to tell about some of the unique just kind of funny things that happened along the way. And I would not have regretted going and enjoying a nice meal with you. But this was just you know, something different enough that I think helps keep the relationship fresh, helps keep it growing, and gives us even some some things to talk about reinforces some of those, those face-to-face opportunities that we have down the road.

Rosanna
Yeah, and I think you know, being with someone for a while, or even being in a friendship for a while like it be It can become stagnant or predictable. And sometimes that’s what you need is kind of just like that little bit of invention to kind of, you know, get rid of the same old.

Jordan
And I think I think about parenting as maybe the biggest side-by-side kind of thing that we’re doing together, right? That’s a big responsibility. It’s a big task. It’s a major portion of our time. And I think that can be, no, sometimes the relationship becomes a little too lopsided on that end too. Where you’re, you’re working on something, whether it’s parenting or if you have a mutual project or business or something and it becomes all about like the side-by-side kind of management of the tasks that have to go on. And you stop – I think too much of that the means you stop enjoying that experience – and you stop enjoying each other too, because you’re not turning and pausing and enjoying the conversation, focusing on one another and tuning out the rest that’s going on around you.

Rosanna
Okay, so that reminds me of this quote, and it’s by the author of The Little Prince. And the quote is, and we this is actually this is a sign I bought –

Jordan
We have this on our wall.

Rosanna
It’s in our bedroom. And it says “Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction.” And when I saw that at the store, it really like it struck me right away, because it reminded me of our relationship, that it’s not just about that lovey dovey stuff. And there’s plenty of that in our relationship, but that it is the two of us side-by-side, holding hands and looking out. But I think the really the most important part of this is it’s not just us holding hands and looking out, and you’re looking to the west, and I’m looking to the east and you’ve got your eyes on what you want, and I’ve got my eyes on what I want. And then we’re holding hands, but we’re both letting go and traveling in opposite directions. To me, what this really represents is that we’re holding hands, we’re looking out in the same direction and we’re focused and we’re moving equally together, driving forward. Meaning our values and our goals and our dreams are in check. And that your dreams are important to me. And I’m coming along with you. And my dreams are important to you and you’re spurring me on and and we’re pulling each other along and that it’s not that we’re going in opposite directions. It’s that we are in alignment and we’re purposefully moving forward.

Jordan
Yeah. And we have a mutual vision for how we want to conduct ourselves and move forward together in that way.

Rosanna
And that new mutual vision comes from that face-to-face. Because in face to face, not only is it romantic, face-to-face is also confrontational. And it’s also vulnerable. Okay, well, think about it, like in a work scenario, right? When you have a one on one with your boss, right? A couple things are gonna happen in that scenario, what are the couple things that are going to happen if you’re one on one with your boss?

Jordan
You’re gonna have a great conversation, probably a raise and a promotion.

Rosanna
Right. Okay. So there. You hope.

Jordan
Ideally but right it is off you know, it’s a often position and maybe like evaluation or accountability or report, it’s, I would say it’s job-oriented. It’s efficiency based.

Rosanna
Questions-based, even to right like how can you grow this is this is where I see you going. So like, it’s not always face-to-face. It’s not always romantic. Sure when our heads are on the pillows at night and we’re laughing about this or that or sure, like it’s, it’s sweet and it’s tender, but face-to-face –

Jordan
You’re not really looking for that from your boss or from the other face-to-face relations.

Rosanna
But if you’re looking at this across relationships, you know, a lot of gaining vision and being on the same page comes from that face-to-face comes from confrontation and vulnerability and being serious and honest. So face-to-face isn’t just always just happy go lucky love. Its face-to-face is where some of the hard work happens. So that when you’re side by side, you can move forward.

Jordan
Yeah. So do you have another question to piggyback off that?

Rosanna
How about this, how do you balance these in a relationship? Like is there a perfect Explain, is it 50/50? Is it 60/40? Is it you know, 20/80? And in what direction? Like, how do you determine what your relationship needs? Like? Maybe that’s the question that our audience is like, wow, you’re right. All my date nights are face-to-face. Like, maybe we need some side to side, side by side. Or maybe they’re all side-by-side. And we’re operating in this fun carefree zone. But now we really need to sit down and like, yeah, engage, like, how do we? How do people know what the balance is?

Jordan
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a percentage to put on it. Like, I guess I would say 50/50. But I don’t know if that’s accurate or not. I would say that it’s good just to ask the question, like, do you when you’re sitting, or when you have the opportunity even to be face-to-face with one another? Like, what is that? Like? Is there a chance to enhance that or make that better? Or does that feel like does it feel like maybe there’s a better way to utilize that time together and go and enjoy an activity together or even where the opportunities I think like we’re talking about date nights, but even within the context of your marriage, like where are the opportunities to work on something together, that you feel like you’re you’re mutually experiencing that? Like I said, parenting is probably the biggest thing for those parents out there that you’ll be working together on. How can you then ask the reverse question? How can you make sure that there is like face-to-face time with your spouse to have that shared vision, that opportunity to reinforce one another within those roles and maintain that romantic connection amidst the work that’s going on? So I mean, I think the only way to strike balance and we talked about this in almost every episode is like just asking questions and reflecting so that you can find what’s missing and identify what’s not working and make the appropriate adjustments.

Rosanna
Yeah, I mean, and even in last week’s episode, when we were talking about like, why are we picking up those devices? Why are we looking at screens like what’s what’s off, right? That mindfulness of like, something’s off between like, We’re fine. And I love you and we’re friends. But like, I feel like something’s missing. So what is that is? Do we just need a fun carefree afternoon where someone watches the kids and we go on a bike ride through the forest preserve? Like, what? What is it that you need? You know, sometimes you just need that playful interaction. So I think you’re right. It’s that intentional, like self diagnosis of what haven’t we had in a while?

Jordan
And I also feel like when you when you get older and look back on any given relationship, like what, what tends to stick? And like when we’re telling stories or talking about fun times we had, we’re never like, Oh, this one time we went to this coffee shop and had a really deep conversation with each other. That doesn’t really make that great of a story. But the experiences that we share have ways of even ways that sometimes defy any sort of definition or words, but there’s there’s a kind of bond that’s that’s built in the midst of that and you have these memories and stories along the way. But that’s counterbalanced by making sure that you are like focusing and understanding one another. And I think when you feel like you could be doing either like a face-to-face or side-by-side kind of engagement with anybody, then that is an opportunity to maybe let those reinforce one another and strengthen one another as you go.

Rosanna
Well, and I think one thing that we can’t forget, either is that we can’t let what other relationships and people are doing, define what we think we need to do for ourselves, because we know what our relationship needs. So we can get ideas from people like, Oh, they did this cool.

Jordan
Let’s do that, too. That would fit us

Rosanna
Right. But not you know that people who wine and dine often, like maybe that that does something for them that their relationship needs. But maybe that’s not what your relationship needs. And so while the thought and the idea behind it is good, or the resources that they have are different than yours, like how do you recreate the same sentiment of face-to-face or the same sentiment of side by side, but that fits uniquely who you are and what your relationship stands for?

Jordan
I’m thinking of this in terms of other contexts too. Like I’m even thinking of colleagues at work, because you’re, by definition, coworkers. And so so much of what you’re supposed to be doing is, is side-by-side. But is their purpose and opportunity to, you know, pausing that at times and letting like the face-to-face interactions, reinforce the side-by-side work that you can do? And I think that’s one thing people sometimes complain about, is like, you know, you get sidetracked with conversate like water cooler conversations. There’s sort of office chatter that gets in the way of your efficiency at work. But I think there’s a reason why that exists. And we’re so prone to do that is because I think we feel like we need to reinforce the relationships by focusing on and talking to one another, about each other and about our experiences so that when it is time to buckle down and do work, we have a more like a stronger shared bond to be able to do that.

Rosanna
Well, right trust is built over those conversations, or even when you’re, you know, assigned a new project, and you know, someone needs to emerge as like a leader, or someone needs to, you know, do something specific, someone be like, you know, who would be a great fit for that, you know, Jordan would be a great fit for that, like, did you know that he does this and so he might be able to, you know, help us launch a podcast. Like, so it’s good when people know you past what your capabilities are, you know, work or corporate setting, when they get to know where your heart is, or where your passions are. And then that kind of builds a different kind of relationship that also improves your work relationship.

Jordan
Right. We briefly referenced this a couple of minutes ago, but I want to draw some focus to it. So I want to throw in another orientation here. So back-to-back – so we got face-to-face, side-by-side. Back-to-back is my third one. I picture the back-to-back analogy as two people near one another but focusing on their own thing.

Rosanna
I wish I picture Jurassic Park the raptors are surrounding you and you are right kind of each fighting off something while still being – sorry that’s like you said that like the raptors. Like literally my first thought.

Jordan
And I think that’s often where the phrase is used and like this defensive posture where you’re like you’re surrounded on all sides where you know back-to-back in battle. I don’t quite mean it like that so much as just say like we’re even though you might be near someone your orientation is towards other things. What role does that play in a relationship and what opportunities and pitfalls do you see in that kind of orientation?

Rosanna
Okay, so I think so if you’re saying back-to-back, and we’re both facing out. I’m thinking right now I see us standing together. I see you looking out and I see you chasing something that you want. And it’s something that you want that I’ve agreed to support you and so it’s not just like anything, it’s like, you know, this year I really want to, I really want to do this. And so I understand your vision, I understand stand where you’re looking where you’re coming from what you want. And I am kind of standing up against you supporting you. I’m not, you know, like a, like a picture frame or tripod, like a kickstand. Where it’s –

Jordan
Like one of those, one of those team builders where you gotta like lean against one another.

Rosanna
Yeah, but more so that, like, I’m giving you the strength of my back so that as you are trying to do something, I can support the other areas that maybe need to be taken care of, so that you can face outward.

Jordan
Gee, I didn’t picture that at all. I mean, I pictured – I agree with you half on that. I was thinking that at the same time you are also you know, it’s like mutual. There’s, there’s something I’m paying attention to and then there’s something you’re equally paying attention to.

Rosanna
Well, I would say that too, but like when I’m – like, I guess, yeah, you’re right. I agree that too, because I have my own dreams or goals or plans, and they’re not without your permission and without your help. And I mean, when I say permission, I don’t want you to think that he has control over what I want. But it’s more like this understanding of okay, I am also now pursuing x. And in order to do that, I will need your support behind me. So that I can also do that, but it’s not always simultaneous. It’s always like one leans on one and one leans on the other. So it’s like a back and forth.

Jordan
Yeah. Yeah, I think realistically there needs to be that that agreement between the two if it’s – otherwise, you can just go off completely in your own direction.

Rosanna
All right, because then I picture like a duel almost where you’re just like, you’re back to back and then you’re out. Right and you’re getting further apart. So this one’s almost like, I for those of you watching on YouTube, you’re watching my hands, but it’s kind of like this stick that can bend. So it can like lean. But you’re still together that you’re not completely walking away from one another.

Jordan
Yeah. And I think that that would be one of the pitfalls with that as one, like you, you can turn away from one another and what is going on and what you’re separately interested in becomes the sole focus. I think that’s one of the pitfalls. And you mentioned, like agreement and permission. And I think those things are important because you, you really can just go off and do whatever you want. And I can just go off and do whatever I want. But practically speaking, that’s not going to make for a great relationship. So there’s a role that that plays, there are things that you’re just going to do or are interested in, that I won’t be a part of. And same with me for my end.

Rosanna
And that’s a part of a healthy relationship. To have separate interests and separate aspirations. But that doesn’t come without the support of one another or like the blessing to go ahead and do it so that our values remain aligned and our core stays intact.

Jordan
So I think the back-to-back supporting one another’s important but I also think of like, at some point you want to, like turn around and this is this is what reinforces face to face too is when you’ve experienced something separately, and then at the time that you are able to come together and focus on one another, you could bring that experience to the other person. And you can share that with them, you can hear from them and then enjoy talking about and just digesting that experience by talking to the other person about it.

Rosanna
But I think that then also kind of brings you’ve come back to the relationship with something that I have not experienced or something that I don’t understand. And then when you share it with me, hopefully like there’s this excitement, right? Or there’s like an understanding, and it’s a way for us to then consider something that would you know, that would help drive me forward or help drive us forward or like there’s more so that we don’t run out of things to say no, and we don’t run out of things to share that it becomes it. It brings a wealth of like knowledge And experience back to the relationship for our benefit. Okay. I have one last question on my list. And I know we’re kind of getting close here. So how can we keep perfect pace with our partners or spouse? So if we are side-by-side, how do we get to a point where one of us isn’t running ahead and dragging the other? Or one of us isn’t pulling the other one back? Like how do we, how do we do it in a good healthy way?

Jordan
Right. So I, here’s my answer to this question is that the point of all of these different kinds of interactions is the relationship okay? And so if you’re doing something where that something that activity or that –

Rosanna
– That interest, goal –

Jordan
– whatever it is, supersedes the relationship, then I think it becomes unhealthy and needs to stop.

Rosanna
Okay. Back to the Godfather, quote.

Jordan
Back to the Godfather quote, that’s right!

Rosanna
I think you should do should be like right kind of comes back to the relationship. So if you are now engaging in something that has you well, in front of or well behind your spouse or your relationship, then you’re doing the wrong thing.

Jordan
Right. The point is the relationship. So I think that’s one thing to keep center because you can begin working on something together. Like I would say, like family for example. It’s you get married and to begin having children, you facilitate this beautiful thing called family, but it is work, it is an investment and sometimes the the day to day management of that. It takes its toll and we lose sight of the reason and the people behind what all that work is for. That’s just one example. But I think that happens and in any other domain as well where the action, the work, the activity suddenly takes on more importance than the relationships of the people that we even engaged with in the first place.

Rosanna
That we’re doing it for. Right. Okay. Okay. Big Questions.

Jordan
Yeah. I think this is a good chance for us especially as we’re wrapping up season one to, I mean we’ve talked about our relationship and we’ve talked about so many things in life. I think it’s a good point for us to kind of reflect on these different questions that we’ve had that ways we’ve challenged one another. The topics like face-to-face and side-by-side that help us, I think, be more conscientious and intentional with how we’re going about life and try to apply as much of it as possible for the kind of life that we’re pursuing. So what takeaways you have from today’s conversation?

Rosanna
Okay, number one, go ahead and stare at each other and enjoy it. Take the time to be alone together, to gaze to hold hands to be romantic, but also take the time to be vulnerable. Take the time – and I’m not gonna say to be confrontational but to ask the hard questions that when we are face-to-face, we don’t have to not challenge each other or shy back and not

Jordan
Maybe haggle over something, hash some things out.

Rosanna
Yeah, I think that’s important because we can brush those things under the rug for a long time causing more problems. So there’s obviously a healthy way to do that, so we advocate for communicating face-to-face, but also enjoying that time together. The second would be to intentionally make time in your life and in all of your relationships for those side-to-side, side-by-side moments, because you can breed love and trust and patience and understanding and like mindedness and grow together in fun and new ways. Because it’s not always going to be the romantic or the confrontational ways that you’re going to grow. And then the third thing is to unite your vision. Two people need to travel in the same direction and I think it has if you’re looking at the relentless pursuit, right, the title of our podcast. The whole purpose of this is that we need to be in alignment and in agreement where where we’re headed is. And so we will do that side-by-side, but we need to be in agreement on how to get there.

Jordan
So I like the little last word in our tagline, relentlessly pursuing a life worth living, together.

Rosanna
Together. So, have specific goals in place that will guide your vision and keep you guys in check. So, I know we did a challenge last week. Okay, but I thought maybe we could do one more challenge. Okay. So we can do this, obviously, and you guys at home can do this as well. But why don’t you take some time to assess how you’re spending time with your spouse? Is it face-to-face is it side-byside. So if you feel like you’re needing more of one, schedule some time in this next week for a face-to-face with your partner, if you haven’t had that opportunity, yet.

Jordan
Don’t make it awkward. Don’t say, Honey, we need some face-to-face.

Rosanna
You might scare the other. But you know, maybe you need a romantic date night out. Or maybe you need a coffee date where you start talking about, let’s talk about some of our dreams and goals. Like what what’s next for the blank family? What do we want? Yeah, what do we want to aspire to? Who do we want to become more like, how can we do life better? You know, so maybe it’s, you know, that kind of conversation. If you’re always doing these romantic date nights, and you know, or you’re always hashing things out, right? There are couples that are just intense and they’re always talking about, like these deep conversation. Yeah, go have some fun, huh? Right. Visit, visit a play, go to the zoo without the kids just together to look around. go on a hike, go on a bike ride. And we’re limited now with where we can go and what we can do. But be inventive. and have some fun.

Jordan
Make an experience for yourselves that you’ll remember and laugh about. And hopefully it’ll make a memory that you can cherish.

Rosanna
Yeah. And then tell us about it. Comment on our websites, send us something on social media, do a little video and tag us in it, but be a part of our community. Be a part of what we’re doing. We’re sharing what we’re doing with you. Share with us because we want to know what you guys are doing. Yeah. So what do you think the end of season one is officially upon us?

Jordan
That wraps up Episode 12. Thank you so much for listening throughout the season, and we hope that you’ve found some good insights and inspirations along the way. We’re very excited in the weeks ahead of preparing everything for the next upcoming season with more tips, recommendations, stories, inspirations, challenges, they’ll be headed your way. So thanks for listening to the relentless pursuit podcast and we’ll be speaking with you again.